What's the best way to avoid scrying with a wish?

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#1

milkjug_dup

Jul 11, 2009 13:12:32
I recently was granted a wish by a powerful Lich for stealing a red dragon egg. Being that I have ****** off the dragon I would like to use my wish somehow to avoid the dragon scrying on me. What would be the best way to do this? Would it be to have an item created that has anti-scrying or can I put it on myself?

And if it is possible to have something like this created can it be strong enough that it can't be dispelled?

There are many things to do with this wish, but I have enough problems of people scrying on me and finding me and my group. We don't have a wizard with us currently.

Any advice?

(I am a halfling rougue)
#2

kuonji

Jul 11, 2009 13:29:01
Mind Blank
#3

mellored

Jul 11, 2009 13:33:31
Or just wish for something to kill the dragon.
#4

milkjug_dup

Jul 11, 2009 13:41:17
I could ask for the dragon to be killed or whatever. But this isn't the first dragon I have...upset. So a way to avoid being found would be best.

I will need to look up mind blank. Thanks for the suggestion.
#5

kuonji

Jul 11, 2009 14:11:44
I could ask for the dragon to be killed or whatever. But this isn't the first dragon I have...upset. So a way to avoid being found would be best.

I will need to look up mind blank. Thanks for the suggestion.

Click the words above, they're linked to the spell description in the SRD.
#6

slobo777a

Jul 11, 2009 14:13:38
Wishes are not all-powerful, at least not in v3.5. There are lots of guidelines as to the sort of effect you can expect.

The "old school" wish was based on fairy-tales, so the wording was super-important and many DMs took the opportunity to spoil the effects by re-interpretting the words.

If you don't that kind of DM, just wish that the dragon will be misdirected whenever he scrys for you. Suggest that the dragon sees you in some totally different location, doing something specific (that you'll have to make up).

Otherwise, if you feel you need to provide more mechanics, take a look through various mis-direction spells in PHB, which are designed to fool divination spells. The Wish could almost certainly duplicate the effects, perhaps for a longer period, or for multiple attempts to scry on you.
#7

milkjug_dup

Jul 11, 2009 14:15:39
Thanks for the link Kuonji, and slobo. This has helped.
#8

Undrhil

Jul 11, 2009 14:46:35
Wish that any attempts to scry on you instead scrys on someone else (someone not in your party.) You would probably want to list someone here who you will *never* be around... such as the person doing the scrying, for instance.

Would that not work?

Of course, then if a legitimate reason to scry for you were to ever come up (if someone was looking for you because you were lost or something) then you would have a problem. But thems the breaks.

Maybe you could wish that whenever someone tries to scry on you for ill-intent reasons, they scry on themselves instead? Heh. That would be awesome.
#9

milkjug_dup

Jul 11, 2009 22:03:06
Here is another question off hand. What does it mean if a dragon marks you? Can you somehow get rid of the mark? Where can I read about this?
#10

alric

Jul 12, 2009 0:27:33
Well lets be clear. You mean a wish as in the 3.5 spell, or a wish as in a magical wish where you can get whatever you want? There is a huge difference after all.
#11

Undrhil

Jul 12, 2009 0:58:25
Here is another question off hand. What does it mean if a dragon marks you? Can you somehow get rid of the mark? Where can I read about this?

Um, are we talking about a 'mark', like a 4e Fighter's mark or are we talking about like an Eberron dragonmark?

In 4e, some classes and creatures get the ability to mark a target. This mark does various things depending on the class or creature placing the mark. If there is no other descriptor, then it's a flat -2 to attack rolls against any creature other than the one that placed the mark. Read the power that does the marking carefully because it may add to that or give the creature additional power uses against the marked creature. To read more about this 'mark', check out the PHB and DMG (I assume it's in these. I couldn't find anything specific in the PHB, except for the individual classes which have a mark in that book: the Fighter and Paladin.)

If you are referring to a dragonmark from Eberron, it's a little more complicated. Basically, it's like a birthmark or something which identifies you as having a certain ability. Usually, you also belong to a certain "dragonmark house" which contains others who share the same dragonmark. These would include such things as The Mark of Healing. To find out more about a 'dragonmark', read the Eberron Player's Guide (just came out last month.)
#12

milkjug_dup

Jul 12, 2009 8:06:12
Thanks Undrhil, and Alric, it's a 3.5 wish.
#13

gregt_314

Jul 12, 2009 20:58:05
There are many things to do with this wish, but I have enough problems of people scrying on me and finding me and my group.

Ask the DM politely to find some new and different ways to railroad you.

If your group's plagued by NPCs who overuse scrying (or Geas, or Dispel Magic, or Detect Lie, or any of the other endless "Get Out Of Plot Free" cards from 3.5), it's not a problem with the players, it's a problem with the DM. He's likely a relatively new DM, he's more in love with the iron fist than with the velvet glove, and he hasn't yet realised how frustrating it is to players to have their every move limited by the magical equivalent of Big Brother.

Without saying there's anything wrong with the game you're playing or the fun you're having, I'll just note that 4th Edition eliminated these problems. Just throwing that out there.
#14

Caeric

Jul 12, 2009 22:29:45
Without saying there's anything wrong with the game you're playing or the fun you're having, I'll just note that 4th Edition eliminated these problems. Just throwing that out there.

Oh, were it a note and nothing more.


The best way to avoid scrying is not to avoid it. Block it. There are all sorts of spells and effects that block scrying (none I can cite; it's been a very long time since I read up on 3.5 rules). I am vaguely inclined to say their might be an armour material that, when worn, requires the caster to surpass a check to scry you.

I don't suggest using your wish to block this scrying alone. It's rather silly to enter into this mission, get into trouble, and use the wish to remove the trouble. You end up with little gain in comparison to the potential of a wish. Maybe you could wish that you and your companions are absolutely un-scryable. Frustrate all future enemies.

If your DM still has his villains managing super-precise location of your characters, then you do have a problem with the DM. Scrying is really all there is that they can do without you knowing.