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What to do with extra healing surges...!?

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#1
Mithrus
Apr 02, 2009 1:13:31 I was playing around with a level 16 dwarven BRV build when I noticed the absurdly large number of healing surges they end up with (high Con+Dwarven Durability). I don't have any direct experience yet in the paragon levels, but how would anyone (let alone a BRV fighter) use up 17+ surges per day!?

I've looked around a little, but I can't find any good use for the excess surges I KNOW I'll end up with. Using a Healing Sash comes to mind, but even that is of limited use (max charges of 5). I believe clerics have some ability to shift surges between characters (so I've been told), and other leader classes might have a similar powers.

Suggestions?
#2
mplindustries
Apr 02, 2009 1:47:56 1) Stock up on healing potions.
2) Try and super tank it and take ALL the damage for the party.
3) Profit.
#3
canamrock
Apr 02, 2009 1:51:55 There's Belt of Sacrifice that lets you spend two surges to give one to someone else. A Sacrificial Weapon can also let you use a surge per day to prevent damage to someone. Healer's Sash isn't a bad idea, either. Coif of Focus might be really good as well, and the anti-stun is nice as you need your actions to get the most from your marks...
#4
aivaruin
Apr 02, 2009 2:56:28 Also check Adventurer's vault section on consumables. All potions need healing surge to work, and not all (cough potion of clarity cough) heal you.
#5
propane
Apr 02, 2009 3:43:20 =( I felled over and lost a hit point HEALING SURGE!

IMO play more dangerously, require more surges! =D
#6
cyberianhusky
Apr 02, 2009 9:25:31 I suppose its not unexpected given the amount of temporary HPs you generate for yourself that you dont have to spend healing surges all that often... if you're doing your job as a tank well enough, that should simply mean your group can push onwards and cover lots more encounters every day... if however you are finding that the rest of your party is running out of healing surges long before you do, you might have to look at a way to fill your role as a tank even better, try to be the only one taking the hits in your group, even if that means possibly dropping your AC a bit to make you a more attractive target for monsters... or you can listen to the advice about magic items that run on healing surges, those are good too.
#7
cadfan
Apr 02, 2009 9:32:11 You might chew through 17 surges faster than you think.

Your a dwarf, so you can use your second wind as a minor action. There's no reason not to use it every fight.

Your leader can use three healing minor action powers per fight. These will most likely go to you, if you play your character aggressively. Some won't, but there are other miscellaneous ways you can use surges, such as between fights.

With four fights a day you could use around 16 healing surges without that much difficulty, if the fights are tough and if you take everything to the edge in terms of your own safety.

You also might NOT use all those surges, but don't automatically assume you'll have plenty of extras.
#8
rovin
Apr 02, 2009 9:35:02
I've looked around a little, but I can't find any good use for the excess surges I KNOW I'll end up with. Using a Healing Sash comes to mind, but even that is of limited use (max charges of 5).

IIRC, the sash can have five charges at a time (starting with one for free each day) but can have charges added at-will, and can only use one charge per encounter. If you really think you've got too many surges, get several sashes and spread them around the party, then charge them up as they run dry. You could also play around with elixers and potions that use surges, few of which normally see much use.

Just don't be surprised when when your DM responds to your profligate spending of surges by having you run into a few mobs of wights or forsaken shells or somesuch. Those surge-drain monsters will tap you dry in no time, and BRV doesn't do a thing to stop it.
#9
Aldrick
Apr 02, 2009 9:37:44 Get the neck item Clasp of Noble Sacrifice... let your party leech off your healing surges for a fight (or even in a post-fight heal-up).

Or if you don't have it already...get a Bloodclaw weapon. Why not go to town and take 4 damage with every single attack roll you can?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Mithrus Apr 02, 2009 1:13:31	I was playing around with a level 16 dwarven BRV build when I noticed the absurdly large number of healing surges they end up with (high Con+Dwarven Durability). I don't have any direct experience yet in the paragon levels, but how would anyone (let alone a BRV fighter) use up 17+ surges per day!? I've looked around a little, but I can't find any good use for the excess surges I KNOW I'll end up with. Using a Healing Sash comes to mind, but even that is of limited use (max charges of 5). I believe clerics have some ability to shift surges between characters (so I've been told), and other leader classes might have a similar powers. Suggestions?
#2 mplindustries Apr 02, 2009 1:47:56	1) Stock up on healing potions. 2) Try and super tank it and take ALL the damage for the party. 3) Profit.
#3 canamrock Apr 02, 2009 1:51:55	There's Belt of Sacrifice that lets you spend two surges to give one to someone else. A Sacrificial Weapon can also let you use a surge per day to prevent damage to someone. Healer's Sash isn't a bad idea, either. Coif of Focus might be really good as well, and the anti-stun is nice as you need your actions to get the most from your marks...
#4 aivaruin Apr 02, 2009 2:56:28	Also check Adventurer's vault section on consumables. All potions need healing surge to work, and not all (cough potion of clarity cough) heal you.
#5 propane Apr 02, 2009 3:43:20	=( I felled over and lost a hit point HEALING SURGE! IMO play more dangerously, require more surges! =D
#6 cyberianhusky Apr 02, 2009 9:25:31	I suppose its not unexpected given the amount of temporary HPs you generate for yourself that you dont have to spend healing surges all that often... if you're doing your job as a tank well enough, that should simply mean your group can push onwards and cover lots more encounters every day... if however you are finding that the rest of your party is running out of healing surges long before you do, you might have to look at a way to fill your role as a tank even better, try to be the only one taking the hits in your group, even if that means possibly dropping your AC a bit to make you a more attractive target for monsters... or you can listen to the advice about magic items that run on healing surges, those are good too.
#7 cadfan Apr 02, 2009 9:32:11	You might chew through 17 surges faster than you think. Your a dwarf, so you can use your second wind as a minor action. There's no reason not to use it every fight. Your leader can use three healing minor action powers per fight. These will most likely go to you, if you play your character aggressively. Some won't, but there are other miscellaneous ways you can use surges, such as between fights. With four fights a day you could use around 16 healing surges without that much difficulty, if the fights are tough and if you take everything to the edge in terms of your own safety. You also might NOT use all those surges, but don't automatically assume you'll have plenty of extras.
#8 rovin Apr 02, 2009 9:35:02	I've looked around a little, but I can't find any good use for the excess surges I KNOW I'll end up with. Using a Healing Sash comes to mind, but even that is of limited use (max charges of 5). IIRC, the sash can have five charges at a time (starting with one for free each day) but can have charges added at-will, and can only use one charge per encounter. If you really think you've got too many surges, get several sashes and spread them around the party, then charge them up as they run dry. You could also play around with elixers and potions that use surges, few of which normally see much use. Just don't be surprised when when your DM responds to your profligate spending of surges by having you run into a few mobs of wights or forsaken shells or somesuch. Those surge-drain monsters will tap you dry in no time, and BRV doesn't do a thing to stop it.
#9 Aldrick Apr 02, 2009 9:37:44	Get the neck item Clasp of Noble Sacrifice... let your party leech off your healing surges for a fight (or even in a post-fight heal-up). Or if you don't have it already...get a Bloodclaw weapon. Why not go to town and take 4 damage with every single attack roll you can?